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| * Bex | Dec 3 2011, 02:41 PM Post #16 |
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A lot of people on this site argue like they've been given a script from FOX News and just read it out blindly without having any knowledge of how the world actually works. Also using Caps is not going to further emphasise your points in deep discussion; it is going to make you look like a complete idiot and nobody take you seriously. Im gonna try and make this short any how. - There are bad parents where ever you go, no matter what race, what geographical location, what gender, what class, whatever. - The definition of "bad parents" differs. There are bad parents who beat their kids, but there are also bad parents who lay on everything for their kids to the extent that they are spoiled and have no idea how to fend for themselves. Think 'My Super Sweet 16' or a show of that ilk. You might think that they aren't comparable and that might be true, but parents that raise kids like that are still a variant of bad parents as they aren't preparing their children the right way for future life and adulthood. -snip- Removed inappropriate content. ~T - There are still children that want to learn. In the UK there are more and more trying to go to University. You just have to give them the right encouragement instead of telling them their lives will be ***** if they don't do well at school and try to control every aspect of their life. Give them some freedom and they'll learn moral/social values which will make them think twice about leaving education - at my level for example, people feel bad if they miss lectures and miss handing in work on time, instead of the other way around where you feel good for being absent and not wasting time working. - There are parents that are raised badly, and parents that are raised well as children. Nobody is ever really fully prepared to become a parent, cause when the moment hits you that you, or your wife is pregnant and when that baby is born you still have to learn how to take care of them, its a hard task - the poor parents don't even bother trying to tackle it, or do everything they can to resist tackling it, the good ones will aim to make their child happy, healthy and safe. - We live in a blame culture, where there has to be something for people to blame their weaknesses and irresponsibility on, whether they're a politian, homeless, whatever, there's an excuse for everything when there perhaps shouldn't be. Nobody wants to admit that maybe they could do things better. - Rule of thumb - do not generalise, especially on weak points. There are always exceptions and if you do so you'll be shot down by rational, critical thinkers. Longer than I thought, but just quoting on everything I have witnessed in this debate. Edit - OH, and by the way, that's not how social services works Fulgore, and you didn't see 13 year old pregnancies in 1950s cause it was shameful and people kept it quiet. It's the same with records of suicide and homosexuality, communities keep it quiet to keep their reputation. The way you act it's as if suicide, homosexuality, teenaged pregnancy, pedophilia etc just came out of nowhere in the last few decades and never existed before now. Boy are you wrong, it's all been going on for centuries, milleniums even. Edited by Tim, Dec 4 2011, 07:42 AM.
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| DanielSan | Dec 3 2011, 02:58 PM Post #17 |
 
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Fulgore, you might want to stop since you really aren't going anywhere in your points. Most of your points really hasn't added to much. Parents have to be parents. It's not like kids are made like robots and that all we need is a instruction manual. Kids cannot raise themselves, well they can but it wouldn't end up too well most of the time. Edit 2: Also being born out of a wedlock was common then to. It is just many people don't just tell everyone it back then. Trust me there are as many gay people as there is now than there is back then. It is just they are more open now. Also church really doesn't matter in families. You don't have to go to one to be good, christian or not. Edited by DanielSan, Dec 4 2011, 03:43 AM.
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| lunar2 | Dec 3 2011, 07:34 PM Post #18 |
 
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bad parenting is just that, bad parenting. you don't need a church or a government organization to tell you how to be a good parent, otherwise we wouldn't have made it the 5 million years before we started really developing our society just 10,000 years ago. No child can get away with things by threatening child services unless the parents' allow it, because discipline isn't abuse. you can legally spank your child as long as you don't cause injury, you can put them in time out, you can have a garage sale with all their toys as the centerpiece, etc. if people would quit throwing blame, and just do what they know is right, then the kids will be fine. there are no excuses. |
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| Fulgore | Dec 3 2011, 07:50 PM Post #19 |
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-snip- Inappropriate content removed. Only 19% of children were born out of wedlock in the 50s. Compared to now.. 79% of children are born out of wedlock. Statistically that sounds BETTER to me. @Lunar, been to wal-mart recently? Edited by Tim, Dec 4 2011, 07:46 AM.
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| lunar2 | Dec 3 2011, 07:58 PM Post #20 |
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the rate of children born out of wedlock is meaningless, really. a couple that isn't legally married can be as good or better parents than a couple that is married. also, what does wal-mart have to do with anything? |
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| Fulgore | Dec 3 2011, 10:15 PM Post #21 |
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Children run their parents now days, a trip to wal-mart will show you that  @marriage, yes. It does. Statistics show that both parents in a committed marriage have a higher chance of producing successful offspring. Higher chance to attend college, to do well in school, less likely to get knocked up or contract STDs. There's hundreds(EXAGGERATION) of studies that show this. The fact that 79% of children born to young adults don't have married parents is kinda ridiculous. It suggests that a traditional family of parents supporting their offspring is irrelevant now. I think something like 40% of children are being raised by single mothers in the US(and this is an old old statistic, it's much higher by now i'm sure.) So, you wanna sweep ***** under the rug and pretend society is not to blame? Go ahead. Edited by Fulgore, Dec 3 2011, 10:17 PM.
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| + Pelador | Dec 3 2011, 11:01 PM Post #22 |
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Yes because a couple of families at a Walmart represent the whole population. If you're going to keep making generalising statements like that, then you're not worth arguing with.
Edited by Pelador, Dec 3 2011, 11:02 PM.
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Dec 4 2011, 12:26 AM Post #23 |
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Don't you think that's just because wealthier people are more likely to value marriage? The cause of the success and not getting STDs isn't marriage, it's already having money. |
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| * Bex | Dec 4 2011, 07:16 AM Post #24 |
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-snip- Removed inappropriate content. And Fulgore, you don't seem to understand the point I made whatsoever. I was saying that if you take a specific era of time, there are fixed benefits and fixed problems. Yes there may be less children born out of wedlock, but for one thing, it depends on whether you think you have to get married to have a baby. From what you said, it sounds like if I had a child with someone in 9 months time without being married to them, I'd be a social outcast and a disgrace because you said children born out of wedlock was worse. The thing is, I think you mean teenaged pregnancy, which is entirely different to children born out of wedlock, but even if you don't mean that then you have a seriously out dated view on society. Edited by Tim, Dec 4 2011, 07:50 AM.
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| Tim | Dec 4 2011, 07:39 AM Post #25 |
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Topic is now open again. Please remember that making things overly personal in Deep Discussion is not permitted and to keep it on topic. As for my personal opinion on this I think bad parents can be found anywhere. It is more to do, I think, with being ready to have the responsibility of children and how for a little of people they may perhaps have jumped in a bit too soon. I'm not going to comment on social services as I don't know much about that - i'll leave it to Viddy, she's the sociologist here For marriage I think that possibly too much is being read into this. Marriage in general is becoming a lot less common these days - both due to a decrease in the importance of religion to a lot of people as well as cost and such. Personally, my parents have never been married and imo have done a fantastic job at raising both myself and my sister. I think people need to learn the balance between spoiling their children and abusing their children. ~Tim Edited by Tim, Dec 4 2011, 08:00 AM.
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Dec 4 2011, 08:49 AM Post #26 |
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I don't particularly mind bad parents. They usually toughen their kids up to achieve a lot in life seeing how they had it hard growing up. Their is a clear line between bad parenting and abusive nature though. Once crossed in my opinion you lose your right of privacy considering parenting. The question is where is exactly is that line? |
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Dec 4 2011, 11:31 PM Post #27 |
 
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parents are too be blame i think. many parents just plain suck at their job. but the kind of parenrts i hate the most arre mommy bots. they are horrible! bring their bad ***** babies to places where kids shouldn't be and except everyone to think cute of them sounds like puppets to me. children are not play toys yet thuink they are. mommy bots make me sick! |
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